hi carey, thanks for your reply mate, its so frustrating having this thing with us and not knowing where its guna go. iv read that some folk stay paroxysmal for 20/30 years but others are in permanent within 3 years.!! I'm only just managing in the paroxysmal state (mentally anyway) and the thought of persistent/ permanent afib terrifies me. I know I should man up and think myself lucky that I have afib and not a terminal illness like some poor souls get and I am really. but I just cant help worrying.